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Post by dominic on Jan 26, 2013 3:39:32 GMT -5
Hey guys! It's been a while most definitely, but I just want to start off by saying congratulations to you both! I believe you both played amazing, semi-honest games and deserve to be where you're sitting right now. Before you go and assume shit, I'm not bitter in the least. I know that I played this game well and have definitely learned my lesson about throwing too many competitions and trusting too many people. But it's whatever because it's all in the past now. So let's move on to some questions! Colleen:I honestly have no idea how we managed to spend the entire game together yet spend so little time getting to know each other. It's not that I didn't want to get to know you or anything, but Ellen always had tabs on you so I didn't feel that it was necessary to be honest. Not trying to be rude, of course because when we did talk, it was wonderful. I definitely respect your gameplay and feel like you took the position you were given in this game as gracefully as possible and utilized it to make it to the top! My task for you tonight is simple, and I want brutal honesty. Of the 9 members of the jury, rank them based on their gameplay, with 1 being "OMG THEY SHOULD BE IN THE FINALS" to 9 being "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT." Such a basic question that people always ask, but it's always so interesting to see. Remember to be honest and brutal and thank you in advance Ryan:So much to say... and only 58,482 characters left in this post. I just want to say that I'm a little disappointed in you. You and I go way back, meeting in Season 1 of this glorious series. By this time, all the jurors know so I'm not really worried about "outing" you. The fact of the matter is that you played this game completely personally against me, and for you to say in your open statement to "leave the personal game" aside is complete crap. Basically, what you did to me in this game wasn't fair to me as a person at all. After you somehow found out who I was and who I've played as, you completely decided to use that against me without even giving me a chance. Your mind was completely made up because you thought you couldn't trust me and that I would be "vengeful" from you blindsiding me in GvsE1. This "history" you kept bringing up to Ellen throughout the series was just complete shit. You used my character from Season 1 to demoralize my gameplay whenever YOU were the one that backstabbed your original alliance to further your own game. Yet of course, you manage to come out of it without a scratch on your character, while I go down as "the bitter villainous threat." Knowing that you decided to take our "history" and use it against me in this game was just so disrespectful. It just goes to show that some people will go to anything to win a game, including voting out good friends (like AJ). I feel like you and Ellen are perfect for each other in the aspect that you two both did whatever it took to further your own gameplay, even at the expense of your "friends." Whenever we had our "heart to heart" before I left, I honestly thought it was genuine. Since then, however, I've been informed that I was meant to go in your eyes several times throughout the game. If you had it your way, I probably wouldn't be on this jury, and that certainly isn't fair to me or how I've played this game at all. If anyone played personally, it's you.I guess my question to you is "what the fuck?" Why would you let something like what happened two seasons ago affect how you play this game towards me? If you don't recall, we were friends and allies back in Season 1 as well, and YOU were the one that did me wrong back then too. I've trusted you twice now, and look where it's gotten me. What other reason besides "I think he'll try to get me out for what I did in Season 1" was there to be so untrusting of me throughout this game? I seriously want to know, because I personally think we clicked well together. We talked a lot more than we did in Season 1 so hopefully you can get this whole "Greg/Dom are shitty and villainous" perception out of your head and maybe start getting to know me. Thank you both and I look forward to both of these answers.
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Post by Colleen on Jan 26, 2013 9:10:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the congrats Domi! I honestly have no idea how we managed to spend the entire game together yet spend so little time getting to know each other. It's not that I didn't want to get to know you or anything, but Ellen always had tabs on you so I didn't feel that it was necessary to be honest. Not trying to be rude, of course because when we did talk, it was wonderful. I definitely respect your gameplay and feel like you took the position you were given in this game as gracefully as possible and utilized it to make it to the top!I know, right? haha. I was going to say in my ROPs that even though we spent the entire game together we weren't that close. We did share fun times in the main chat but most of our private talks were just game and that's fine. I wasn't really that opened talking about myself because as I've mentioned, I didn't share my real life because of wanting to stay alias. Thank you for the respect, much appreciated. My task for you tonight is simple, and I want brutal honesty. Of the 9 members of the jury, rank them based on their gameplay, with 1 being "OMG THEY SHOULD BE IN THE FINALS" to 9 being "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT." Such a basic question that people always ask, but it's always so interesting to see. Remember to be honest and brutal and thank you in advance Ellen - 9No secret here. Everyone knows that Ellen should be in the finals. She played the best game and the funny thing is, that it was so obvious that she was the biggest threat but people didn't do anything because they "thought" they were her bestie She had it all, she was a combo player aka competitive, strategic and social as hell. Ben - 8Ben is so likeable and easy to talk to. He had the best jury management that it's insane at how people weren't mad at him when he was apart of their elimination and had the option to help them out I think he would have won if he made the finals. Also he was good at challenges and loyal which is a great quality. Carly - 4I feel bad for giving Carly a low score since she made the F4 but she really only branched out to Ryan... like she was basically her lapdog in a sense. She wasn't the most active and she was pretty bad at challenges. Dominic - 8Dominic came off strong. He definitely played the leader role which was bad for his game because leaders generally do get targeted for being threats. I also think he was a combo player because he was always coming up with strategies (for challenges, tribal council), social and obviously good at challenges. I think you were the best during tribal stages Kendell - 5Kendell had her moments at being likeable and out going but she was too immature at times. I think her immaturity rubbed people the wrong way because Kendell would always cause fights in the chat for no reason and could have handled her self better. AJ - 7The sweetheart of the game. She definitely has the likeable factor and had she been on the Ellis tribe, she would have been one of the top dogs for sure. She had to leave the round that she did because her niceness / likeability was threatening. Chase - 6I don't know much from Chase. I mean we were on the same tribe for a few rounds and then he was the first boot at merge. I know people were threatened by him because he was good at challenges (he proved to be a good asset at the tribal stages) and people seemed to like him. Leah - 1I can't say anything about Leah's gameplay because I never met her. The only thing I remember people talking about Leah is that she has a wonky eye or something in her cast photo. I have to give her a 1 because she was "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT" to me. Liam - 4I only spent one round with Liam so I don't know much about his game. I did like him pregame so he get's a few points for that. I know the general consensus was that he wasn't that likeable which surprised me but he seemed to rub people the wrong way. I know he was good at challenges and seemed like a smart dude. Thank you and good luck with your decision.
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Post by Colleen on Jan 26, 2013 15:08:05 GMT -5
Oh wow, I read your thing wrong lol. I blame it on being like LATE where I'm from. I thought 1 = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and 9 = OMG THEY SHOULD BE IN THE FINALS.
If you wanted me to rank;
1. Ellen 2. Dominic 3. Ben 4. AJ 5. Chase 6. Carly (I change my mind and rank her higher) 7. Kendell 8. Liam 9. Leah
And my reasons for what I posted above.
Again, I apologise... lol.
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Post by dominic on Jan 26, 2013 15:39:49 GMT -5
You're fine Thank you for the correction, and since you explained so well, I was willing to overlook the mistake! I typed this at like 3 am so I was practically asleep anyway!
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Post by Ryan on Jan 26, 2013 23:15:01 GMT -5
I guess my question to you is "what the fuck?" Why would you let something like what happened two seasons ago affect how you play this game towards me? If you don't recall, we were friends and allies back in Season 1 as well, and YOU were the one that did me wrong back then too. I've trusted you twice now, and look where it's gotten me. What other reason besides "I think he'll try to get me out for what I did in Season 1" was there to be so untrusting of me throughout this game?
Okay, Dominic, I don't appreciate this comment. Why? Because I find it entirely hypocritical. If I recall correctly, you were running to Ellen saying, "Well just warning you, Ryan is really sneaky. We can't trust her!" blah blah blah, or at least that's what she told me. So if you are judging me based on a double standard, then I would think twice about your previous statements. I will admit that I had personal reasons to wanting you out during the first round, as I discussed with you before you left. HOWEVER, the rest of the game was not personal AT ALL. I willingly aligned closely with you. Why? Because we got along super well, and I knew we could work well together. I wanted to go far with you. However, I was never under the impression that we had a final 3 deal. I'm being completely honest with you when I tell you that, and I expressed this concern with Ellen several times.
Your downfall was not my doing. It was not me playing "personally against you". No, I'm smarter than that. I don't let things cloud my judgement. You were seen as a challenge threat. You can say that you didn't win individual immunity challenges. Well, you let your challenge prowess be known during the tribal stages of the game. In addition, you had the hidden immunity idol. If I was playing personally against you, I could have outed you right away. BUT I DIDN'T. I kept it a secret for you. It wasn't my fault that people assumed you had it. The other reason for your downfall was your snarky attitude. You know I love it, but it painted a target on your back. When I wanted to vote you out, it was because I did not believe that we had a final 3 deal, and I saw you as a huge threat standing in the way of me getting to the finals. You can't sit there and tell me it was a bad move because you would have taken Ellen to the finals over me had you stayed. So kudos to me for taking you down.
The truth is, you played the same game that you did in season 1. So you had the same downfall. I grew to respect you and love you so much more this time around. My relationship with you WAS genuine. You are not gone because of me running your name in the dirt. Everyone was constantly talking about you and how you were the biggest threat. I can't take all the credit for that. You should take it as a compliment. I voted you out because I knew you had the ability to go on an immunity run and threaten my chances of going to the final 2. There was no other reason than that.
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Post by dominic on Jan 26, 2013 23:47:56 GMT -5
Ryan, you can call me out as much as I want, but you should also realize that it's not my game that's needing to be critiqued for this jury, it's yours. I was cautious of you, yes. WHY WOULDN'T I BE?! I wasn't the one that backstabbed and blindsided you in Season 1, Ryan. You were the one that lied and went against your alliance! You did me wrong in a really bad way back you somehow came out looking like a hero from it. And now here we are in Season 3. It should've been a new game, but you decided for yourself that I would be vengeful and try to come for you. I honestly think your sole purpose in this game was for you to keep your pride in tact. It would just eat you alive for me to outlast you in this game, right? You can blame it on whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that you played super dirty. I never told Ellen not to trust you, I told her to be careful. And it looks like I wasn't in the wrong for doing so because you pulled the same classic backstabbing moves again! From AJ, to me, and even to Ben. And then you have the nerve to come in here and tell us not to vote based on who hurt our feelings? You'd like that, I'm sure.
I find the "I never knew who had a final 3 deal" statement to be such a cop-out. RED was formed in the early stages and we were all on board to go to the end together. Ellen and I talked about it all game. HELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW! It was clear from every angle, and I really think you're just playing dumb so you don't look shady for backstabbing me this time like you did in season one. Furthermore, whenever you were voting me out, you told me that you were "never under the impression that we had anything official." Yet here when you're trying to defend yourself against letting our history in the way, you mention that you "willingly aligned closely" with me. Well, which is it? Were we aligned or not because your story seems to be a little shaky.
During your whole post, you keep saying about how you "never went for me but could have." That is far from the truth. Fact of the matter is: it took several attempts for you to rally the troops to get me out. You tried several times, but no one was ever completely down for it. But here you are once again trying to come out looking like a hero. I know you're looking for the typical "wow Ryan is such a nice person. She transcended above the Season 1 drama and put it behind her long enough to play the game with respect for all!" Uhm... Not quite. All you've done is attempted to hide your schemes. Face of the matter is that you tried MANY times to get me out of here. You tried pre-merge: AND IT FAILED MULTIPLE TIMES. You tried at Final 8: AND IT FAILED BECAUSE ELLEN SAID NO. So don't even try and say that you miraculously rose above any old grudges, accepted me as a person, and didn't let our history cloud your judgement enough to try and get me out!!!
I cannot believe that you're trying to sugar-coat everything from the jury. I never saw you as that kind of player. You made it to the end, so OWN your gameplay. You're like a cat trying to cover its shit up, but we ALL smell it gurl. <3
But congrats on F2!
P.S. You have used the whole "take it as a compliment" excuse for two seasons now. Is this how you compliment your "friends" in games? Toodlez.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 26, 2013 23:58:37 GMT -5
I didn't really try pre-merge. I didn't go to Tribal Council pre-merge, so how did I try and fail multiple times. I tried at final 8 and it failed BECAUSE YOU AND ELLEN HAVE A RELATIONSHIP OUTSIDE OF THIS GAME. So whatever. And I came out as a hero as season 1 because you and John were getting cocky, and I would have been out 3rd or 4th because of you guys. Instead of riding your coat-tails, I made a move and controlled the merge. Put your ego aside. Instead of acting like a selfish, egotistical little bitch and thinking that my whole game revolved around getting you out, take a step back and maybe just accept that I had more of a game going on than that. If I wanted you out at the final 8, I could have blindsided you with my idol. BUT I DIDN'T. BECAUSE MY GAME DID NOT REVOLVE AROUND TAKING YOU OUT. IF I WAS SO PRIDEFUL AND WANTED YOU OUT, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN GONE. I COULD'VE TAKEN YOU OUT AT THE FIRST ROUND OF THE MERGE AND I DIDN'T. SO GET OVER YOURSELF. K thanks
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2013 0:01:13 GMT -5
By the way after "running your name in the dirt" to Ellen, I approached her like the second round and was like, "I think we really need Dominic around. He is really good in challenges, and Iike him a lot." I also wrote about this in my confessional. I didn't only say negative things about you, jsyk.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2013 0:04:20 GMT -5
9. GregorySeason: Angels & DemonsPlacement: 7thEdgic: MORNGregory was probably one of the biggest villains in season 1, if not the biggest. He got himself started in a final two deal with John, and became essentially his attack dog while he strategized for most of pre-merge (...sound familiar?). He began his villain status by trying to make Michael think he was the "leader" of the Good tribe and that everyone else were his minions. Michael didn't buy it, and this would begin a long series of of instances where Gregory would do something "diabolical" and everyone would roll their eyes and continue on about their day. His first ~masterminded move~ was to eliminate Raphael, a player whose main objective was to be UTR and not cause any problems. This is why I call Gregory a lulzy villain. Everyone went along with it because no one cared about Raphael in the first place, and Raphael was unfortunately blindsided. At this point, Laela and Michael were the outcasts of an alliance that consisted of Gregory/John/Selena/Cassie/Ariel. However, Ariel was not performing in challenges like Michael and Laela were- so Gregory went on the offense and brutally targeted Ariel. It was so ~devious~...lulz. Gregory continued to revel in his evil when he pretty much gave a Courtney Yates confessional about Laela's depression, where he got the episode quote. It was called "Emotions Are for Ugly People". Despising Michael for being shirtless in his profile picture and just being all-around odd, Gregory knew that Michael was going to be his ~next victim~. HOWEVER, Michael wins immunity and Laela is cut because she's "tacky". So at this point, it's obvious that Gregory doesn't have much awareness of what's going on in the game. He kind of sits back while the Evil tribe gets decimated in order to wait for the Good tribe pecking order to fall into place. TURNS OUT THOUGH, Michael & Cassie have been planning to boot him for like 45 rounds and he is blindsided at the final 7- leaving Selena and John to fend for themselves. Gregory was a great villain for the first season, and his fall was one of the most Survivoresque things I've seen in this series. GJ Grego.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2013 0:04:39 GMT -5
Read this. Learn something.
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Post by dominic on Jan 27, 2013 0:08:49 GMT -5
I honestly expected you to have more sass than this Btw, this questioning isn't about Season 1 or anything that happened there. The jury isn't going to be impressed by Cassie's game. They're here to read about Ryan's. Just thought you'd wanna know. And aww at you being butthurt at me having a relationship outside of this game that interfered with your plans on getting me out! Oh wait, wasn't that the round you were trying to save the person you told to sign up with you? Oh, I think it is. How interesting! Oh, and you really need to take Jury Management 101. Calling them egotistical little bitches isn't exactly the way to go about it. Especially since you're the one preaching to not take things personally? Maybe if you took us out in classier ways, your game wouldn't be going downhill this fast and you wouldn't be getting drilled like this. I hold nothing against you as a person. But as far as this game is concerned, I have to base my questions and votes towards what happened in THIS[/u] game. You know I valued our conversations, so the fact that you're name-calling and taking it so personally is a further testament to the reason you're getting this treatment from the jury.
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Post by dominic on Jan 27, 2013 0:11:23 GMT -5
And girl, I challenge you to find something negative about you in my confessional. I CHALLENGE YOU!!
And once again, this isn't about Gregory.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2013 0:15:48 GMT -5
Everyone knows you're a bully, so you don't have to continue to prove it here.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2013 0:17:12 GMT -5
And I'm not here to brag about Cassie's game. You're the one digging up bones from season 1 in your question. And I'm not butthurt over your relationship. Just don't brag about plans falling through in the final 8 when I could have taken you out anyway with my idol and nullifier. And I'm calling you an egotistical little bitch because you're acting like one. But I'm not even replying to this anymore. It isn't worth it.
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Post by dominic on Jan 27, 2013 0:23:17 GMT -5
Oh please. I'm one of the nicest people you'll meet. I'm also real and loyal to the people that show me the same courtesy.
Believe it or not, all I was looking for was an answer to your question. Nothing was supposed to sound "harsh" or anything and I'm sorry you took it that way, I guess. But instead of just gracefully giving me an answer, you just thought of various ways to sound as sassy as possible and demean me based on past gameplay?
And YOU are being the bully here? You've called me an egotistical bitch? Told me to get over myself? And now you're calling ME a bully? How dare you.
You are attacking ME AS A PERSON! You have decided to attack RYAN (my real name, NOT YOU) and not keep it pointed to Dominic. And then you bring Gregory into this too?
I have not said one thing about YOU as a person. I have left "JORDAN" out of it. I have kept it completely relevant to this game. Practice what you preach, "girl".
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