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Post by Host on Jan 25, 2013 9:37:52 GMT -5
I'm very shocked to see you here. You were so close  |
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Post by ben on Jan 25, 2013 9:43:04 GMT -5
Hi Ellen, you played hard and I thought for sure you'd make F2.
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Post by aj on Jan 25, 2013 10:13:29 GMT -5
Definitely thought you would make f2. Good game Ellen!
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Post by ellen on Jan 25, 2013 12:45:43 GMT -5
Hey everyone! I'm sorry to those of you that were hurt by the moves that I made. I will try and explain myself, even though I know it will probably fall on deaf ears.
I only ever had (in my mind) two legitimate Final Two alliances, and those were with Dominic and Ryan.
Initially I wanted our alliance, RED, in the Final Three, until it became clear to me that there was a lot of history between them both in this series; I knew that they would never last together in the game that long, so I had to make a choice between the two of them... I chose Ryan because I didn't think that I could beat Dominic... judging from the comments in here leading up to his elimination, I was right.
That was hands down the hardest vote that I cast, and you have every right to be upset Dominic; however, I didn't plan on screwing you over the entire time. Our friendship to me was authentic and the decision to target you first out of the Ellis Six came to me around the time of the Kendell boot.
I even saved you single handedly at the Final Eight, when pretty much everyone else wanted you gone. I wanted you to get farther than 7th Place this time. Everyone else was gunning for you that round but I would not budge on AJ, even though I loved her, I refused to screw you that early and hand Ryan control of the game.
Chase, you came and asked me for a Final Two, which I agreed to because I would be an idiot to say no to that. Was I supposed to say no and have you after me? I don't get it, I'm sorry but I wasn't going to turn it down. We were close the first round, but then we were separated and I never really thought you were serious about going to the end together after that... especially after the Jonah blindside. I didn't understand how you could ever trust me again and figured you were simply blowing smoke.
When you came to me at the merge and told me that you had majority and Colleen/Dominic was going home, I simply went along and nodded my head... as insurance... you can call that sloppy or Russell Hantz or whatever, but I wanted a backup plan in case things had changed between Ryan and I and Colleen/Dominic was really going home.
I tried to at least be respectful and not kick people while they were down. I know a lot of people took it personally when I voted them out because I befriended most of you... that for me was just who I am, I'm friendly and I like getting to know people as people, not just as players in a game, but it doesn't stop me from trying to play a smart game. Anyway, take it for what you will. I hope we can all be friends after this.
-Ellen
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Post by chase on Jan 25, 2013 13:57:41 GMT -5
Well, I do understand why you played the way you did, don't change things around on me. You were the first one to approach me about a final 2 in the first round. I was very deliberate about not making final deals at the beginning unless people approached me about them because I have a terrible tendency to overplay and get caught up in it, so don't make it seem like I was the one that approached you and followed you along. I thought we had a good connection, and I was willing to look past the Jonah thing, but at that point it was clear you were no longer on the same side as me. I guess you could blame it on my naivety that kept me hoping you were still on my side.
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Post by ellen on Jan 25, 2013 14:09:24 GMT -5
I think you're remembering things a little bit differently than they happened, no offense... I would never ask someone outright for a Final Two deal in Round One... that's textbook bad game-play.
You heard Liam talk about how I hemmed and hawed about who I wanted to be on a tribe with that round. If I wouldn't even give that information up, I would never have deliberately asked someone for a Final Two alliance... the game that was bound to be too unpredictable anyway.
I did want us to stick together though at that point and was sad when we wound up on different tribes, because we were the last minute replacements. My original sentiments about us working together were genuine. If you mistook that for a Final Two alliance I'm sorry, but those words never came out of my mouth and I never meant to imply it (I wasn't thinking that far ahead at that point.)
After the switch, you asked me about a cross tribal secret arrangement and that was the first time I heard anything about a Final Two... by that point I was a bit skeptical but I agreed to it for the reasons I listed above. Even if you'd been genuine, I knew that it could never work, so I didn't enjoy lying but felt it was necessary for my position. I did really like you and didn't enjoy voting you out or misleading you.
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Post by chase on Jan 25, 2013 14:21:23 GMT -5
Maybe I was just blinded by my general dislike of my tribe so I was being hopeful, but as I recall it, that is what happened. (This is why witness confessionals don't always hold up in court, they remember things they way they want to.)
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Post by liam on Jan 25, 2013 16:30:21 GMT -5
You heard Liam talk about how I hemmed and hawed about who I wanted to be on a tribe with that round. I've been wanting to ask you about that. You asked me who I wanted on my tribe. I didn't really want to say (and I didn't show all my cards), but I decided it was worth the risk to try to gain another ally. However, you refused to answer the exact same question when I asked you. I mean, I get not wanting to give away information, but you had to realize that that seemed super sketchy, since you were the one asking me originally. You made it really far, so it didn't really hurt you, but it was probably going to be part of my FTC question if you had made it to the end, since we were never on the same tribe. |
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Post by ellen on Jan 25, 2013 16:39:25 GMT -5
Liam, I don't remember this exact conversation, there were a lot of them going on at that point in the game, but I'm sure I didn't flat out refuse to answer your question... what I probably did was say something like, "oh well everyone is so awesome idk!" I hold my cards close to my chest, that's all. I didn't really trust you at that point so I didn't want to give you any information about who I actually wanted to align with (Ben, Chase, Colleen and Ryan)...
I also thought you were Dominic's partner because of your completely unnecessary lie about your occupation, which made me unsure of where you stood because I would see you both in the chat together a lot and something just seemed off there to me.
It's a shame because I started out really liking you. I was highly suspicious of Jonah for lying so early on too and for leaving out certain details and then something about Leah also told me that she already had arrangements alliance wise. I figured there was something budding there, but maybe I was just paranoid. You all ended up aligning anyway if you weren't at that point and I'm honestly very glad I was on Ellis and not Liberty.
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Post by liam on Jan 25, 2013 16:58:30 GMT -5
what I probably did was say something like, "oh well everyone is so awesome idk!" I hold my cards close to my chest, that's all. I didn't really trust you at that point so I didn't want to give you any information about who I actually wanted to align with (Ben, Chase, Colleen and Ryan)... That's exactly what happened. It was just such an obvious non-answer is all. I even said that I wanted to be on a tribe with Colleen, so if you had just said, "Yeah, I like Colleen too", Then there's the potential start of an alliance if we end up on the same tribe. My lie at the start was totally unnecessary as well. I made up a fake bio because I didn't want to be last in the challenge. That's actually what my fallen comrades quote is about. The whole context was, "I have learned a valuable lesson in this game. If you're going to lie, make it a big lie. The little ones seem sneaky and just make you seem untrustworthy. I'm still overplaying, but not as much as before." The false bio was a little lie, and I learned from it. My favorite movie was actually Mean Girls  . |
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Post by Host on Jan 25, 2013 17:51:06 GMT -5
Maybe you if you had told the truth they would've kept you for that reason alone.
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Post by liam on Jan 25, 2013 17:52:59 GMT -5
Opening statement at Final Judgment: "I'd just like to say that I really like Mean Girls".
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Post by dominic on Jan 25, 2013 19:36:26 GMT -5
Congrats on 3rd, Ellen. I hope it was worth it.
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Post by Faith on Jan 25, 2013 21:11:32 GMT -5
Congrats on 3rd, Ellen. I hope it was worth it. To quote your LOVELY episode title from season 1... "emotions are for ugly people" sucks ass when you're on the other end doesn't it   |
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Post by dominic on Jan 25, 2013 21:44:17 GMT -5
Congrats on 3rd, Ellen. I hope it was worth it. To quote your LOVELY episode title from season 1... "emotions are for ugly people" sucks ass when you're on the other end doesn't it I'm sorry but what part of my post showed that I was emotional in any way? XD lol Ellen and I will sit and talk when the game is over. I have nothing to speak with her about in a public forum  A game is a game. |
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